nothing grover norquist said today either in his first interview or his second did anything to diminish republican anti-tax passion. joining me now, "washington post" columnist and msnbc contributor ez la klein. ezra, thank you for joining me. i have the pledge here. and just to clarify for people, it says that, you know, i pledge to the taxpayers, blah, blah, blah, that i would oppose any efforts to increase the marginal income tax rates. if congress sits there and does absolutely nothing, as we've described here before, in current law, the rates will automatically go up. and what norquist is saying certainly if some bill were to come to the floor to prevent those rates from going up, he would expect you to vote for it. but technically, if you do absolutely nothing, you're still living within the pledge. >> i find this whole story to be absolutely hilarious, actually.